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joining me now is jerry sandusky's defense counsel carl rominger. almost unprecedented certainly in pennsylvania. the big question everyone is asking, why did you waive jerry sandusky's rights to have this hearing today? >> unprecedented in large cases, normal in almost everyday cases, i have to point that out. but the biggest issue here was what we got in exchange for the waiver. what we got was an assurance that the bail would not be moved no matter what happens. so basically the commonwealth gave up their ability to raise the bail even if they bring new charges. we don't believe there's anything in the pike right now. but they had hinted that was a possibility. they also conceded to give us discovery early. in pennsylvania we get no discovery at the time of the preliminary hearing. other states you get extensive discovery at this stage. that was important to begin digesting it. >> the key thing about pennsylvania's process, which is seen as advantageous to a defense team is you get to see potential witnesses against you and you get to examine the
joining me now is jerry sandusky's defense counsel carl rominger. almost unprecedented certainly in pennsylvania. the big question everyone is asking, why did you waive jerry sandusky's rights to have this hearing today? >> unprecedented in large cases, normal in almost everyday cases, i have to point that out. but the biggest issue here was what we got in exchange for the waiver. what we got was an assurance that the bail would not be moved no matter what happens. so basically the...
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he said he saw sexual activity between jerry sandusky and the boy, and he told superiors what he saw. "there's no question in my mind that i conveyed to university officials that i saw jerry with a boy in the shower and that it was severe sexual acts going on and that it was wrong and over the line." he went into detail, and our apologies, it is graphic detail, telling the court he heard rhythmic slapping sounds like skin on skin. then he says, "i looked in the mirror and shockingly and surprisingly saw jerry with a boy in the shower." he said sandusky was behind the boy, the boy was against the wall. he told the court he believes the two were engaged in intercourse but said he could not be sure. "i was not thinking straight," mcqueary said, adding that he was "sure the incident was over" when he left. that both confirms and also contradicts the e-mail that he reportedly wrote. remember the one we reported on weeks ago saying, "i made sure it stopped." but not "i stopped it." there's a difference. in court today he described what he did next, saying he called head coach joe paterno th
he said he saw sexual activity between jerry sandusky and the boy, and he told superiors what he saw. "there's no question in my mind that i conveyed to university officials that i saw jerry with a boy in the shower and that it was severe sexual acts going on and that it was wrong and over the line." he went into detail, and our apologies, it is graphic detail, telling the court he heard rhythmic slapping sounds like skin on skin. then he says, "i looked in the mirror and...
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because jerry sandusky was the same way a couple of days ago. you watch his every move. same with mcqueary, he's a big guy, about 6'4". he had this demeanor, took a deep breath, walked up to the stand. he was ready to tell his story. i thought he was very credible and very succinct in what he had to say, and very detailed, which makes him even more credible. >> and what kind of response did he get in the courtroom? >> caller: again, to harken back to a couple of days ago when we thought we were going to hear accusers talk with jerry sandusky in the room, it was not as intense, but it became so when he began to talk, anderson, and we knew, as we were sitting in this courtroom, we're going to get detail. more detail of what he saw, allegedly, in 2002, and everybody had the laptops out, and it was this rat-a-tat-tat of everyone just transcribing his every word. and it lasted several hours. >> what i found most significant today, this really was the first time we heard some of the grand jury testimony read back. because, previously, all we'd had was this grand jury kind of a
because jerry sandusky was the same way a couple of days ago. you watch his every move. same with mcqueary, he's a big guy, about 6'4". he had this demeanor, took a deep breath, walked up to the stand. he was ready to tell his story. i thought he was very credible and very succinct in what he had to say, and very detailed, which makes him even more credible. >> and what kind of response did he get in the courtroom? >> caller: again, to harken back to a couple of days ago when...
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because jerry sandusky was the same way a couple of days ago. you watch his every move. same with mcqueary, he's a big guy, about 6'4". he had this demeanor, took a deep breath, walked up to the stand. he was ready to tell his story. i thought he was very credible and very succinct in what he had to say, and very detailed, which makes him even more credible. >> and what kind of response did he get in the courtroom? >> reporter: again, to harken back to a couple of days ago when we thought we were going to hear accusers talk with jerry sandusky in the room, it was not as intense, but it became so when he began to talk, anderson, and we knew, as we were sitting in this courtroom, we're going to get detail. more detail of what he saw, allegedly, in 2002, and everybody had the laptops out, and it was this rat-a-tat-tat of everyone just transcribing his every word. it became more intense as the morning went on. and it lasted several hours. >> what i found most significant today, this really was the first time we heard some of the grand jury testimony read back. because, previ
because jerry sandusky was the same way a couple of days ago. you watch his every move. same with mcqueary, he's a big guy, about 6'4". he had this demeanor, took a deep breath, walked up to the stand. he was ready to tell his story. i thought he was very credible and very succinct in what he had to say, and very detailed, which makes him even more credible. >> and what kind of response did he get in the courtroom? >> reporter: again, to harken back to a couple of days ago when...
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asy tonight coach mike mcqueary gives a graphic eyewitness account of how jerry sandusky allegedly molested a young boy. armen keteyian was in the courtroom. mark strassmann reports the death of a member of a florida a&m marching band has been ruled a homicide by hazing. seth doane on a plan to save endangered tigers in the world that appears to be working. and "on the road" with steve hartman. how a secret santa changed a man's life. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. scott's on assignment i'm bob schieffer. new information in the penn state sex abuse scandal. we got the first detailed account of what an eyewitness says he saw when he walked in on a naked penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky and a young boy in a football locker room. details he says that he reported to school athletic officials and coach joe paterno. the lurid testimony came from assistant coach mike mcqueary at a hearing in a packed pennsylvania courtroom. our investigative correspondent armen keteyian has the story. >> reporter: in a clear, commanding voice, mcqueary said h
asy tonight coach mike mcqueary gives a graphic eyewitness account of how jerry sandusky allegedly molested a young boy. armen keteyian was in the courtroom. mark strassmann reports the death of a member of a florida a&m marching band has been ruled a homicide by hazing. seth doane on a plan to save endangered tigers in the world that appears to be working. and "on the road" with steve hartman. how a secret santa changed a man's life. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the...
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them, of course, but also, jerry sandusky. it is so rare in a sexual assault case to have an eyewitness to an alleged crime and that's what mcqueary says he is. so we saw, here he is giving a very vivid, detailed narrative. i would make one caution which this is the early stage, just the preliminary hearing. prosecutors only had to put on the barest of evidence to establish probable cause for the charges to go forward and defense attorneys were somewhat limited in their cross-examination, so we haven't really seen the full throttle attack on the testimony mcqueary gave that we will see if this case indeed proceeds to trial. >> for folks who haven't been following the machinations of this, what was the decision sandusky's legal team reached earlier this week? >> they said we don't want to go forward with a preliminary hearing. if they had, we would have heard from mcqueary and several of the alleged victims in this case. ultimately it was a trade-off for these defense attorneys. on the one hand, they don't have to have days and
them, of course, but also, jerry sandusky. it is so rare in a sexual assault case to have an eyewitness to an alleged crime and that's what mcqueary says he is. so we saw, here he is giving a very vivid, detailed narrative. i would make one caution which this is the early stage, just the preliminary hearing. prosecutors only had to put on the barest of evidence to establish probable cause for the charges to go forward and defense attorneys were somewhat limited in their cross-examination, so we...
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but your client, jerry sandusky said he is not guilty. for a lot of people who have been hearing about this case and read the grand jury report, know there are ten young men who have come forward. how do you square that? >> well, what we do is take each set of allegations separately and what we do know is that at least several of these young men know each other, have known each other prior to charges being filed. we're looking into the possibility that there may be a financial motivation involved or might have been in collusion or interaction among the young people prior to charges being filed. we also know in a number of charges there isn't an allegation of sexual contact as much as there is maybe inappropriate touching. some in several of them there's the actual graphic allegations of acute sexual contact. we're taking each one and looking at it individually and attacking it one at a time. the other factor that's interesting in this case is that a number of these young men who were second mile kids and were teenagers when they said jerr
but your client, jerry sandusky said he is not guilty. for a lot of people who have been hearing about this case and read the grand jury report, know there are ten young men who have come forward. how do you square that? >> well, what we do is take each set of allegations separately and what we do know is that at least several of these young men know each other, have known each other prior to charges being filed. we're looking into the possibility that there may be a financial motivation...
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what does this mean for the case against jerry sandusky? joining us now is stacey honowitz, also with us defense attorney ann bremner. i want to bring up first a point for you. and how powerful could this be for anybody defending sandusky in this case. mcqueary described what he saw between sandusky and the boy. he said it was of a sexual nature, but couldn't say 100% certainty. couldn't say with 100% certainty it was intercourse. they are as close as you can be, is what he said. compare that to this. victim two who is estimated to be 10 years old. with his hands up against the wall being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked sandusky. different testimony today than to the grand jury, how could a defense lawyer perhaps exploit that? >> well, any time an inconsistency, as we know. you can try to undermine a witness' credibility, especially in a case like this where there'll be multiple statements. either you saw it or you didn't. something that graphic and shocking which he said was shocking to him and upsetting, you would think he would
what does this mean for the case against jerry sandusky? joining us now is stacey honowitz, also with us defense attorney ann bremner. i want to bring up first a point for you. and how powerful could this be for anybody defending sandusky in this case. mcqueary described what he saw between sandusky and the boy. he said it was of a sexual nature, but couldn't say 100% certainty. couldn't say with 100% certainty it was intercourse. they are as close as you can be, is what he said. compare that...
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sandusky, it has all changed in the last half hour, jerry sandusky is going straight to trial.$♪. >> our occupied -- are occupied protesters done? >>> and we take you live to new york where the opening bell is about to ring and we have news on retail sales affecting things today. that's why we created the share the love event. get a great deal on a new subaru and $250 goes to your choice of 5 charities. with your help, we can reach $20 million dollars by the end of this, our fourth year. . >>> welcome back to the ktvu channel 2 news, welcome to the social networking software jibe and they are celebrating their ufo. they have raised $151 million pricing the stock at $12 a share. again based in palo alto, it was a good sign and the company is willing to go public, they are doing very well. so a couple of retailers are not doing so well. best buy is disappointing, urban outfitters came up with sales not so great and we will have all the business news in a moment. >> that is disappointing. well go ahead and smile, we will say good morning to you, good morning, it is tuesday december 13th
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there's a good possibility that jerry sandusky could take a stand. during will get under way at 8:30 this morning. brianne carter reporting. >> court officials decided to reverse and an earlier decision that would ban e-mail, text, and twitter messages. but no recordings of the proceedings will be allowed. brad will have reports in our later newscasts and on wjla.com. >>> a man is dead after a police involved shooting in northeast washington. police went to the 5300 block of clay terrace to check of reports of a man high on pcp firing a gun. he was shot by police and died at the hospital when he refused to put down his weapon. >>> police investigating a deadly shooting outside an apartment building as children were playing in the neighborhood. he was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead. police artist getting reports that three suspects targeted the victim. >>> a maryland lawmaker wants to prevent young adults ho stealing items from convenience stores, flash mobs. ben eisler is explaining from silver spring. good morning. >> the plan would
there's a good possibility that jerry sandusky could take a stand. during will get under way at 8:30 this morning. brianne carter reporting. >> court officials decided to reverse and an earlier decision that would ban e-mail, text, and twitter messages. but no recordings of the proceedings will be allowed. brad will have reports in our later newscasts and on wjla.com. >>> a man is dead after a police involved shooting in northeast washington. police went to the 5300 block of clay...
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. >>> a surprise in the jerry sandusky case. he waived his right to a preliminary hearing and the charges he sexually abused young boys while the coach at penn state. it means where's one 10 closer to trial but the attorney said it's a tactical move. >> we would have heard a recitation of the allegations without realist -- realistically being able to cross-examine the witnesses who testified as to their credible. as all of you know, credibility is going to be the many factor in this case. >> fox 5s paul wagner was in pennsylvania for the hearing. paul, the strange tactical move, isn't it? they report usually criminal defends trying to slow things down, not speed things up? >> it's a strange move, brian, but not unexpected, to be honest with you. because a lot of times these preliminary hearings are waived. but, if you look at it from joe amandola's point of view, he succeeded this was a shrewd move on his part. instead of us talking about all of the witnesses and what they said about jerry sand offingo the witness stand, instead
. >>> a surprise in the jerry sandusky case. he waived his right to a preliminary hearing and the charges he sexually abused young boys while the coach at penn state. it means where's one 10 closer to trial but the attorney said it's a tactical move. >> we would have heard a recitation of the allegations without realist -- realistically being able to cross-examine the witnesses who testified as to their credible. as all of you know, credibility is going to be the many factor in...
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. >>> face-to-face, former penn state assistant football coach jerry sandusky to hear his accusers today in court. >>> and shutdown, anti-wall street protesters trying to close west coast ports clash street protesters trying to close west coast ports clash with police. captioning funded by cbs this is the "cbs morning news" for tuesday, december 13th, 2011. >>> good morning, everybody. thanks for joining us. >>> we begin with breaking news, the deadly crash of two army helicopters in washington state. the two helicopters, based at ft. lewis mccord near olympia went down during a training mission last night. >> we're sad to report tonight that four army aviators were killed in an innocent with two army helicopters. >> two other service members were injured. the helicopters crashed in a remote training area south of olympia. the cause of the crash is not known. the army is investigating. >>> now the latest on the penn state sex abuse scandal and former penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky. it's reported he continued coaching at a small pennsylvania college last year, even though he ha
. >>> face-to-face, former penn state assistant football coach jerry sandusky to hear his accusers today in court. >>> and shutdown, anti-wall street protesters trying to close west coast ports clash street protesters trying to close west coast ports clash with police. captioning funded by cbs this is the "cbs morning news" for tuesday, december 13th, 2011. >>> good morning, everybody. thanks for joining us. >>> we begin with breaking news, the...
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jerry sandusky faces his accusers in court. then, former vice president dick cheney on the end of the iraq war and the republican presidential race. >>> and an inside look at the making of the new charlize they theron movie, "young adults." that's the cbs morning news for this tuesday. we appreciate you watching. have a great day. ,,,,,,,,
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that's not jerry sandusky either. we are awaiting the arrival of jerry sandusky and the other people's identity, we don't know. maybe some of the people testifying. lawyers, their lawyer, his lawyers. there is going to be a hearing under way today. called a presentment, where they will determine whether there is enough evidence to go forward with the trial pup can see a lot of security outside that courthouse in the town of bellefonte, about 6,200 people's in that town. >> supporters of jerry sandusky will be there. and susan candiotti and sara ganim reporting his church congregation, and area set aside for supporters of jerry jerry sandusky and his wife are expected to be there. mike mcqueary the assistant coach who witnessed something in 2002 in the locker room there, in the shower room there, he has been subpoenaed but we don't know if he'll be called by the judge to testify. >> just fascinating that jerry sandusky's attorney says there will be no plea deal. that's why this is going on today. >> he says a no plea d
that's not jerry sandusky either. we are awaiting the arrival of jerry sandusky and the other people's identity, we don't know. maybe some of the people testifying. lawyers, their lawyer, his lawyers. there is going to be a hearing under way today. called a presentment, where they will determine whether there is enough evidence to go forward with the trial pup can see a lot of security outside that courthouse in the town of bellefonte, about 6,200 people's in that town. >> supporters of...
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here one by one, and face jerry sandusky for the first time. in belfont, pennsylvania outside the tiny courthouse where jerry sandusky will face his accusers, residents were still struggling to come to grips with what has happened here. >> the reputation of people from the whole area is affected by this kind of action. so it makes everyone unhappy. >> reporter: prosecutors could call most if not all of the alleged victims. and watching from the defense table, the man they accuse of unspeakable crimes. ten boys, now young men, have accused sandusky of a variety of sexual offenses including rape. one claims he was victimized repeatedly, when he was 12 years old. >> it will be more of an adversarial process for him. i know it will be uncomfortable. but he is ready to go forward. >> reporter: sandusky admits having contact with young boys, but he told "the new york times" it was never improper. >> if i say no, i'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth because i'm attracted to young people, boys, girls. >> reporter: a local newspaper here is r
here one by one, and face jerry sandusky for the first time. in belfont, pennsylvania outside the tiny courthouse where jerry sandusky will face his accusers, residents were still struggling to come to grips with what has happened here. >> the reputation of people from the whole area is affected by this kind of action. so it makes everyone unhappy. >> reporter: prosecutors could call most if not all of the alleged victims. and watching from the defense table, the man they accuse of...
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an assistant coach testifies about what he saw between former coach jerry sandusky and a young boy. manuel gallegus reports from harrisburg. but first, we must warn you, some of what you are about to hear is disturbing. >> reporter: penn state assistant football coach, mike nothing mcqueary -- mike mcqueary left the courthouse giving damaging testimony against sandusky and two college officials. he testified that he saw sandusky, having what he believed to be sexual intercourse with a 10-year-old boy in the shower in 2002. he said he heard quote rhythmic slapping sounds and that he shockingly and surprisingly saw jerry in the shower with the boy. that jerry was behind the boy, in a very, very close position, holding the boy's waist, the boy's hands, up against the shower wall. mcqueary said he didn't try to stop it or call police because sandusky and the boy separated before he left the locker room. he testified he didn't say anything to sandusky, who looked back at him with a blank stare. >> reporter: mcqueary said he immediately called his father. the next morning, he met with coa
an assistant coach testifies about what he saw between former coach jerry sandusky and a young boy. manuel gallegus reports from harrisburg. but first, we must warn you, some of what you are about to hear is disturbing. >> reporter: penn state assistant football coach, mike nothing mcqueary -- mike mcqueary left the courthouse giving damaging testimony against sandusky and two college officials. he testified that he saw sandusky, having what he believed to be sexual intercourse with a...
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. >>> suspect jerry sandusky got a new member of his legal team. we'll ask about an especially strange answer he gave in the case about training underprivileged kids how to use soap in the shower, try to clarify what he meant by that. >>> up next, hazing in florida a&m's marching band. yesterday the president suggested it was too shrouded in secrecy to uncover. the governor had something to say about that. lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i? [ male announcer ] want great taste and whole grain oats that can help lower cholesterol? honey nut cheerios. nice, huh? yeah. you know what else is nice is all the savings you can get on cruze and traverse over there. oh! that's my beard. [ chuckles ] it's amazing. ♪ [ male announcer ] this holiday, chevy's giving more. now very well qualified lessees can sign and drive a 2012 cruze ls for around $199 a month. ♪ >>> tonight, florida's governor is calling for the immediate suspension of james a.m. yondz, the president of florida a&m university. governor scott made the suggestion t
. >>> suspect jerry sandusky got a new member of his legal team. we'll ask about an especially strange answer he gave in the case about training underprivileged kids how to use soap in the shower, try to clarify what he meant by that. >>> up next, hazing in florida a&m's marching band. yesterday the president suggested it was too shrouded in secrecy to uncover. the governor had something to say about that. lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i? [...
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. >>> suspect jerry sandusky got a new member of his legal team. and a suspicious answer he gave about training underprivileged kids about how to use soap in the shower. clarification on what he meant by that. >>> and yesterday the university president suggested it was too shrouded in secrecy no uncover. today's florida governor had something to say about that. we spoke with him. we'll be right back. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation, so i used my citi thank you card to pick up some accessories. a new belt. some nylons. and what girl wouldn't need new shoes? we talked about getting a diamond. but with all the thank you points i've been earning... ♪ ...i flew us to the rock i really had in mind. ♪ [ male announcer ] the citi thank you card. earn points you can use for travel on any airline, with no blackout dates. i love the fact that quicken loans provides va loans. quicken loans understood all the details and guided me through every step of the process. i know wherever the military sends me, i can depend on quicken loans. [ w
. >>> suspect jerry sandusky got a new member of his legal team. and a suspicious answer he gave about training underprivileged kids about how to use soap in the shower. clarification on what he meant by that. >>> and yesterday the university president suggested it was too shrouded in secrecy no uncover. today's florida governor had something to say about that. we spoke with him. we'll be right back. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation, so i used my citi thank...
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how do you explain that and do you expect jerry sandusky to testify in his own defense. >> if jerry sandusky wants to testify in his own defense, that is an issue we have to decide at trial after we hear the evidence from the commonwealth. as far as the difficulty in answering that question concerning are you attracted to young boys or boys, jerry sandusky has problems answering a lot of questions. i struggle in my conversations with jerry, getting him to aps quickly and succinctly and directly, and he struggles with that particular question, because he is overwhelmed by it, and he is distressed by it. jerry has always said that he cares a great deal about young people. boys and girls alike. he cares about older people. he has always enjoyed helping them, and i think that he struggles, because he is baffled by the accusations that have been made by these young men who at the time of the incidents were young, young kids. but he is baffled by it. he is troubled by it. if you listen to jerry speak on a routine basis which we hope to get out to the general public and at trial is what you will le
how do you explain that and do you expect jerry sandusky to testify in his own defense. >> if jerry sandusky wants to testify in his own defense, that is an issue we have to decide at trial after we hear the evidence from the commonwealth. as far as the difficulty in answering that question concerning are you attracted to young boys or boys, jerry sandusky has problems answering a lot of questions. i struggle in my conversations with jerry, getting him to aps quickly and succinctly and...
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what's important is that's not what i'm saying jerry sandusky was doing. what i was saying in the aggregate was he didn't do anything criminal at any time with any of these children or any of these boys and therefore, it doesn't really matter whether being in the shower was smart or not smart. it simply wasn't criminal. >> just to be clear and i'm glad you're on to correct, if this was taken out of context as you're saying it was by this local station, you are not claiming that jerry sandusky, that that's one of his motivations was to teach teenage boy how to use soap? >> no. no, and that is not what i was saying. i was answering literally, and i'm learning now from the national media here, you don't answer a hypothetical question because if they don't put the question with the answer you don't fairly evaluate what the answer actually was. my point is no, we're not saying -- sorry. >> even on a hypothetical question of can you imagine any reason why anybody would want to shower, i don't think, there may be some teenagers who need to learn how to use soap b
what's important is that's not what i'm saying jerry sandusky was doing. what i was saying in the aggregate was he didn't do anything criminal at any time with any of these children or any of these boys and therefore, it doesn't really matter whether being in the shower was smart or not smart. it simply wasn't criminal. >> just to be clear and i'm glad you're on to correct, if this was taken out of context as you're saying it was by this local station, you are not claiming that jerry...
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. >>> weave heard from jerry sandusky twice since accusers came forward claiming he sexually abused them. there will be a hearing today. sherrie johnson is standing by with new reaction and what could be taking place. >> former penn state assistant coach, jerry sandusky faces accuserrers in court for the first time. some will explain how sandusky allegedly molested them. in what could be a set back for the prosecution, with up telephone key witnesses, penn state assistant coach, mcqueary's testimony is called in to question. he says he witnessed sandusky raping a boy in the team showers in 2002 and told the head coach and penn state officials about it. now a local paper says a mcqueary friend told the grand jury he spoke with mcqueary the night of the incident and mcqueary said he never saw sex only encounter that seemed suspicious. the victims admit will be an emotional and difficult day. >> there will be a adversarial process for them and unfor a momentable. he is ready to go forward. >> any victim that goes forward with these types of case says brave. they have to face their person th
. >>> weave heard from jerry sandusky twice since accusers came forward claiming he sexually abused them. there will be a hearing today. sherrie johnson is standing by with new reaction and what could be taking place. >> former penn state assistant coach, jerry sandusky faces accuserrers in court for the first time. some will explain how sandusky allegedly molested them. in what could be a set back for the prosecution, with up telephone key witnesses, penn state assistant coach,...
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but what's important is, that's not what i'm saying jerry sandusky was doing. what i was saying in the aggregate was he didn't do anything criminal at any time with any of these children or any of these boys, and therefore, it doesn't really matter whether being in the shower was smart or not smart. it simply wasn't criminal. >> so, just to be clear -- and i'm glad you're on to correct, if this was taken out of context, as you're saying it was, by this local station. you are not claiming that jerry sandusky, that that's one of his motivations, to teach a teenage boy how to use soap? >> no, no, and that is not what i was saying. i was answering literally -- and i'm learning now from the national media here, you don't answer a hypothetical question, because if they don't put the question with the answer, you don't fairly evaluate what the answer actually was. >> but is -- >> my point is no, we're not saying -- >> even on a hypothetical question of can you imagine any reason why anybody would want to shower, i don't think -- i mean, there may be some teenagers who
but what's important is, that's not what i'm saying jerry sandusky was doing. what i was saying in the aggregate was he didn't do anything criminal at any time with any of these children or any of these boys, and therefore, it doesn't really matter whether being in the shower was smart or not smart. it simply wasn't criminal. >> so, just to be clear -- and i'm glad you're on to correct, if this was taken out of context, as you're saying it was, by this local station. you are not claiming...
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. >>> thanks tucker penn state sex scandal jerry sandusky just waived this mornings hearing the disgraced former assistant coach for penn state appeared in court to see if the mat earn should go -- matter should go to trial. >>> he waived the preliminary hearing, good morning paul. >> reporter: good morning tony and alison. stunning turn of events here in bellefonte pennsylvania. i had just sat down inside the over flow courtroom that was just over here on the corner in the courthouse an next an area they had set aside -- annex an area they had set aside as i sat down, the judge walked in said are there any preliminary mappers to discuss. -- matters to discuss. sandusky's attorney walked up to the bench and it only took a second they came and sat down and the judge said mr. sandusky has agreed to waive his preliminary hearing a groan went up inside the over flow courtroom everyone knew there would be no testimony at all. in fact we learned from one of the torns of the victims, they knew about this last night witnesses were never brought here to the courthouse. let's play a little bit of a
. >>> thanks tucker penn state sex scandal jerry sandusky just waived this mornings hearing the disgraced former assistant coach for penn state appeared in court to see if the mat earn should go -- matter should go to trial. >>> he waived the preliminary hearing, good morning paul. >> reporter: good morning tony and alison. stunning turn of events here in bellefonte pennsylvania. i had just sat down inside the over flow courtroom that was just over here on the corner in...
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that he saw jerry sandusky in the showers allegedly attacking a young boy. that's what's at the heart of this, because those two penn state officials disagree that mcqueary said that this boy was allegedly being raped. in fact, mcqueary said i never used the word rape or sodomy, but i did make it very clear to them that something extremely sexual was going on. now as to the particulars, we are hearing for the first time from mike mcqueary what he says he saw. he said he went to a locker room in 2002, saw a boy in the showers with jerry sandusky. now the boy was facing the wall with his hands on the wall shoulder height and he testified that he saw jerry sandusky allegedly with his hands around the boy's waist and, quote, they were as close as they could be. he said that he eventually did make eye contact with them and afterwards left the locker room in shock. he admits that he didn't call the police. he said he called his dad first because he respected him. and he said that eventually when he told joe paterno he also did not use the term intercourse but told
that he saw jerry sandusky in the showers allegedly attacking a young boy. that's what's at the heart of this, because those two penn state officials disagree that mcqueary said that this boy was allegedly being raped. in fact, mcqueary said i never used the word rape or sodomy, but i did make it very clear to them that something extremely sexual was going on. now as to the particulars, we are hearing for the first time from mike mcqueary what he says he saw. he said he went to a locker room in...
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for the first time, mike mcqueary spoke publicly about allegations he witnessed jerry sandusky having sex with a boy in a penn state locker room shower in 2002. in graphic detail and under oath, mcqueary, then a graduate assistant, says he first heard noises coming from the shower, then saw sandusky standing behind a boy with his hands around his waist. he testified that while he wasn't 100% certain, he believed sandusky was molesting the boy. his testimony is key in the hearing for two penn state university officials facing perjury charges. prosecutors say tim curley and gary schultz lied to the grand jury about what mcqueary told them. >> most 6 or 7-year-olds understand what it is to tell the truth or lie. >> reporter: legal experts say mcqueary's testimony today was convincing and damaging. >> the only question is what he described to curley and schultz. did he describe something that was necessarily a sexual act? >> reporter: curley and schultz's lawyers maintain their clients were not told by mcqueary about the sexual details. >> had he heard from mike mcqueary that this boy in
for the first time, mike mcqueary spoke publicly about allegations he witnessed jerry sandusky having sex with a boy in a penn state locker room shower in 2002. in graphic detail and under oath, mcqueary, then a graduate assistant, says he first heard noises coming from the shower, then saw sandusky standing behind a boy with his hands around his waist. he testified that while he wasn't 100% certain, he believed sandusky was molesting the boy. his testimony is key in the hearing for two penn...
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that's jerry sandusky's house there. not only were they neighbors, not only did their kids play and ride bikes together, they worship at the same church. this one called st. paul's united methodist. neighbors and fellow church members back in 1998 -- when the mother of an 11-year-old boy with a sexual complaint against coach sandusky. according to a grand jury report she said it happened on campus at a practice facility, sandusky allegedly touching the boy inappropriately in the shower. the investigation included investigators listened in on a recorded phone call. chief horman closed the case. according to the grand jury report jerry sandusky continued to bring kids on campus and continued to allege lid molest them for years after that. as for the details of why he closed the case, his department isn't releasing them. the entire university is exempt from pennsylvania's open records law. but former chief horman, he's not the only one with prior connections to sandusky. there's the judge, leslie dutchcot, who released san
that's jerry sandusky's house there. not only were they neighbors, not only did their kids play and ride bikes together, they worship at the same church. this one called st. paul's united methodist. neighbors and fellow church members back in 1998 -- when the mother of an 11-year-old boy with a sexual complaint against coach sandusky. according to a grand jury report she said it happened on campus at a practice facility, sandusky allegedly touching the boy inappropriately in the shower. the...
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sandusky sexual abuse allegations. tim curley and gary schultz are charged with lying to a grand jury investigators. >> penn state officials tim curley and gary schultz are arrived at court this morning in harrisburg, facing perjury charges connected to the jerry sandusky de child sex abuse case. the former penn state athletic director and vice president are accused of lying to the grand jury, telling them that assistant football coach mike mcqueary did not inform them he witnessed sandusky having sex with a boy in a locker room shower in 2002. prosecutors' first witness today, mcqueary who appeared calm on the stand as he described in graphic detail what he saw and heard in the locker room that day. he said he first heard noises coming from the shower, looked in the mirror, saw sandusky behind the boy but he went on to tell the court, "i believe jersey -- i believe jerry was molesting him." his testimony is being contradicted by another grand jury witness, a family friend who said that on the night of the alleged abus
sandusky sexual abuse allegations. tim curley and gary schultz are charged with lying to a grand jury investigators. >> penn state officials tim curley and gary schultz are arrived at court this morning in harrisburg, facing perjury charges connected to the jerry sandusky de child sex abuse case. the former penn state athletic director and vice president are accused of lying to the grand jury, telling them that assistant football coach mike mcqueary did not inform them he witnessed...
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that's jerry sandusky's house there. not only were they neighbors, not only did their kids play and ride bikes together, they worshipped at the same church. this one called st. paul's united methodist. neighbors and fellow church members back in 1998, which is when the mother of an 11-year-old boy went to university police with a sexual complaint against coach sandusky. now, according to a grand jury report she said it happened on campus at a practice facility, sandusky allegedly touching the boy inappropriately in the shower. the investigation included officers listening in on phone calls of the mother confronting sandusky. according to the grand jury report, sandusky replied, "i was wrong. i wish i could get forgiveness. i know i won't get it from you. i wish i were dead." despite that, when the local d.a. declined to press charges, chief horman closed the case. and according to the grand jury report, jerry sandusky continued to bring kids on campus and allegedly continued molesting them for years after that. as for th
that's jerry sandusky's house there. not only were they neighbors, not only did their kids play and ride bikes together, they worshipped at the same church. this one called st. paul's united methodist. neighbors and fellow church members back in 1998, which is when the mother of an 11-year-old boy went to university police with a sexual complaint against coach sandusky. now, according to a grand jury report she said it happened on campus at a practice facility, sandusky allegedly touching the...